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Entirely normal and expected. If it's really a concern, talk to your endo about adding small dose of hCG (human chorionic gonadotropin) to your therapy.

 

Well, like I said they had always been on the rather big side.  Now they are average to large.

 

I sort of wonder if something was going on to make them try to to fire up more.  But my LH levels were normal before. 

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I sort of wonder if something was going on to make them try to to fire up more.  But my LH levels were normal before.

Sounds very much like primary hypogonadism to me, i.e. LH levels are fine, but testes do not produce sufficient testosterone (for a variety of possible reasons).

Most importantly, how do you feel now that your T levels are up there with the genetically lucky specimen? :)

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Sounds very much like primary hypogonadism to me, i.e. LH levels are fine, but testes do not produce sufficient testosterone (for a variety of possible reasons).

Most importantly, how do you feel now that your T levels are up there with the genetically lucky specimen? :)

 

Thanks for asking :).

 

The biggest change for me has been better energy levels (less fatigued) and better mental clarity.  I don't get the afternoon crashes quite as much.  I also think it helped with feelings of depression.  If I get low, especially when I was on the gels and they stopped working, I could sort of feel the lower T levels in my head.  It's just a tired, lousy feeling.  It sort of reminds me of those 5 hour energy commercials.

 

I can't say if it has helped in the gym any.  I'm kind of a hard gainer.  But legit TRT therapy numbers aren't going to make anyone juiced. From the research I've done it should help as I think being 200nn/dl or lower can be detrimental to body composition.  I've finally started making great gains but I think that is the result of me finally eating enough and doing a real bulk. 

 

Oddly, I always have been hairy.  I don't think there have been any changes to hair growth on therapy.  I was worried I'd turn into an ape but that hasn't happened. 

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I'm hairy, too

I didn't use gel but a cream from a formulary pharmacy

how much do your injections wind up costiung monthly, if I may ask?

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I have to pick up my next vial tomorrow. I'll let you know but it is next to nothing for an Rx. The vial also lasts about 3 months. For gels I was paying $60 per month.

The initial costs were high because I had to get my first 3 shots in the office before I could do self injections. So I had a copay for those.

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ok looking forward to cost info I paid $50 for a month's woth of the cream with no insurance

the gel (andro gel) would have been $1200 without insurance :o

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Wow! There is no reason it should be that expensive. I haven't been to the pharmacy yet by I think it was between 10-20 dollars. And that us for a vial that lasts about 3 months at the normal dosage.

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Maybe I have it wrong, but my cost with insurace would have been 60 bucks and only that low because of the price cap my insurance has

pretty sure it was in that neighborhood though

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That was my cost on insurance for gel.  It was $60 per month.

 

I just picked up my test cyp.  My insurance cost is $20 and the full cost listing is $106.99.  I'm sure it could be had for less.  In theory this should be enough for 20 weeks.  So that's roughly $5 per month.  

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that's not bad, I should look into it, deff not afraid to give myself shots

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It's not bad at all. Sometimes I'm not even sure if the needle has gone in. The tough part is since it's a shot in the butt is getting around to the left side (being right handed). You are supposed to alternate sides.

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I always go into the thigh with intramuscular injections. It hurts a bit more, but that's where doctors go with it once you explain that being stuck in a spot you can't see WILL make you jump, no question, so I think that'd work for Test injections, too

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Some do quads. I guess the reason it isn't a typical spot is there is no guarantee many people would be able to find/hit that area. Since we do strength training I'm sure that wouldn't be an issue.

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it realy is more painful going into the quad, at least the size needle used for pennicilin does, also I think most doctors think the average patient is more likely to jump if they see the needle going in (and they're right) my background is such that a stick in a placement I can't see will cause a jump, and if I wasn't expecting it, possibly a violent reaction :lol:

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Hello, so a year and a half after I started this thread I have an update. I finally got my T levels checked by a specialist and got the results back yesterday. My total testosterone was 372 (I believe the low end of the reference range was 329 ng/dl), and free T was 4.1, which is about 1% of the total T. The specialist said my total T Is on the low side of normal and my free T is definitely below normal. Normal range for free T is 2-3% of the total.

He said in addition to testosterone replacement there are a couple of options which can boost the body's own natural T production. One involves taking Clomid, which if I understand it right, tells the body to convert less of the T to estrogen - something like that. He said it's not as powerful or as immediately effective as taking T, but it works well for some guys. I'm inclined to try that first, if anything.

The downside of all this is that this particular doctor stops taking insurance after the end of this month, which means the visits - every 6-8 weeks, at least in the beginning - would be out of pocket. He's the only doc around here I could find who deals specifically with low T. And Clomid isn't FDA-approved for this use yet ( it's traditionally used as a fertility treatment for women - go figure) which means that would also be out of pocket. I'm not sure this is all worth the expense. But I would like to have more energy though the day. Whatever I end up doing, if anything, I'm glad at least to have some solid information. Hopefully someone else might find it useful too.

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For anyone interested, here's a very good piece on Clomid as used to treat low testosterone: http://shiramillermd.com/blog/clomid-men-testosterone-alternative.html

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